Getting Things Started

Getting Things Started

Let me start by thanking Chris for hosting this discussion, of which I’m delighted to be a part, and by thanking as well all of those who are participating. It really is a wonderful group, and I’m excited about the coming exchange.

I wrote Law and the Long War out of a sense of frustration with the debate that has developed over law and the war on terror. For several years, America has been convulsed in a very earnest discussion over what the law is, rather than over what the law should be. We are debating questions that mostly have no clear answers–what is the proper scope of detention authority? what are the limits of coercion in interrogation? what are the minimum legal requirements for terrorist trials?–as though the law as it stands today answers them fully. In doing so, many Americans–including many intellectuals–have managed to convince themselves that these questions are easy, rather than agonizingly difficult. This has a polarizing effect on our already-polarized politics. But more importantly, the focus on current law, rather than on designing new law, has the perverse effect of kicking the basic design questions of the architecture of America’s response to Al Qaeda to the courts. The book is an effort both to analyze how America came to its current impasse over law and terrorism and to imagine how we might break that impasse–and to propose legislative strategies toward that end across the range of issues now in contest. 

In my judgment–a judgment I’m sure will be tested over the next two days–there’s enough blame to go around for the impasse. The Bush Administration, of course, made critical errors, relying far too much on claims of its own inherent authority in situations in which it should have gone to Congress for legislative backing. But I don’t think the problem ends there. Just as the administration defined the scope of its lawful authority according to its needs (anything we need to do is lawful as a consequence of our need) many critics of the administration came to confuse their opposition to the executive power claims of the administration with opposition to the substance of the steps the administration wanted to take (anything they want to do is unlawful as a consequence of their wanting to do it). I also think that other branches of government deserve accountability for their roles. The courts, whom many commentators seem to lionize, have in my view been playing a very dangerous game–one that has actually contributed relatively little clarity to the discussion yet has threatened an enormous and unwarranted expansion of judicial power in foreign and military affairs. And Congress has not exactly been pushing for a greater role in defining the rules of the road. It has largely contented itself with carping from the sidelines.

My argument rests on three basic premises: First, that the war on terror is genuinely different from anything we’ve faced before; second, that it consequently requires new law, the development of new regimes tailored for the conflict at hand; and third, that the proper forum for this development is the Congress, the branch designed for the creation of new systems to respond to new problems.

What precisely do we need in the way of new laws? I don’t want to gum up this post with three chapters’ worth of legislative recommendations. But suffice it to say that I argue for a new detention statute (which we’ll be discussing on Wednesday and Thursday), for a new interrogation statute (which we’ll be discussing on Thursday and Friday), for a hybrid approach to criminal trials, and for wholly rethinking our approach to surveillance, which I believe is hopelessly outmoded by modern technology and communications.

So since today and tomorrow are to be devoted to discussion of the premises and to the question of whether my critiques of Congress and the courts are correct, let me kick things off by posing a question: Is anyone actually satisfied with the state of the law today? Does anyone think the optimal environment for executive prosecution of the war on terror (or whatever you want to call it) involves, for example, having no legislative guidance regarding whom to detain or under what rules? Or having interrogation laws that operate only at the highest altitude (nothing cruel or inhumane, nothing that causes severe pain or suffering) but never come down to earth? And is anyone really content to resolve the contours of, say, our detention regime in a common law dialogue between the executive and the judiciary rather than in a deliberative and open legislative process? 

I look forward to the exchange.

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Howard Gilbert
Howard Gilbert

There are three “wars”, and it is not helpful to combine them into the slogan of “War on Terror”. On 9/11 the US was attacked by a special operations unit of army of the government of Afghanistan. Al Qaeda was a component of that army and government although it was mostly composed of foreigners and integrated in a way that only makes sense in Afghan tribal tradition and Shari’a. The “planes operation” was approved by Mullah Omar and the Taliban. Congress then authorized military force against the “countries, organizations, and persons” responsible for the attack. One war is with the government in control of Afghanistan at the time of the attack. That government now operates from across the Pakistani border, but it still has forces in the field and some control of rural territory. A second war is with the “organization” al Qaeda that directly planned and executed the attack, which is also in Pakistan and is closely connected to the Taliban government in exile, but has a more distinct identity once it was expelled from Afghanistan. What is then left is the “War on Terror” when considered like the “War on Drugs”. It involves some military, some intelligence, and some law… Read more »

Adam Caudle
Adam Caudle

Howard – I think that you’re spot on with the need to identify whether we’re in international or non-international armed conflicts.  Unfortunately, our courts and everyone else seems to think that one-size does fit all, but at a different point than the Bush Administration.  I think that the analysis needs to go further in order to be workable, however, and address a lot of previous unconsidered questions.  For example, a combatant is someone who directly participates in hostilities.  To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever attempted to define “hostilities.”  Until we come up with a workable definition, there’s no practical way to determine whether folks like al-Marri are common criminals or unprivileged belligerents.  Likewise, we need a clearer matrix for determining whether a terrorist attack has a sufficient nexus to an on-going armed conflict or whether it is an isolated occurence.  While I agree that we need to start picking apart the “War on Terror” into its components, we have to address the underlying conceptual problems in order to have the structure remain useful.

Charles Gittings

Hi Ben, Well I disagree with your premises and your conclusions, and I think your questions are misleading. You ask: “Is anyone actually satisfied with the state of the law today?” I don’t see any reason to suppose anyone is more or less satisfied today with the law in any area than at any other point in time, but this much is certain — the law is what it is. In this context, the laws are in fact quite clear, and it’s equally clear the Bush administration has been violating the applicable laws from the start. “Does anyone think the optimal environment for executive prosecution of the war on terror (or whatever you want to call it) involves, for example, having no legislative guidance regarding whom to detain or under what rules?” No — I think the administration needs to obey the laws, in particular, the IMT Charter, Hague, and Geneva. “Or having interrogation laws that operate only at the highest altitude (nothing cruel or inhumane, nothing that causes severe pain or suffering) but never come down to earth?” What is or isn’t down to earth is beside the point: it is a crime to torture or assault prisoners. “And… Read more »

Benjamin Davis
Benjamin Davis

The essential question is whether the proposal of a new series of legislative solutions is a means of addressing something or is merely another improvisation in national security law. ” Does anyone think the optimal environment for executive prosecution of the war on terror (or whatever you want to call it) involves, for example, having no legislative guidance regarding whom to detain or under what rules? Or having interrogation laws that operate only at the highest altitude (nothing cruel or inhumane, nothing that causes severe pain or suffering) but never come down to earth? And is anyone really content to resolve the contours of, say, our detention regime in a common law dialogue between the executive and the judiciary rather than in a deliberative and open legislative process? ” I believe that these questions are really straw men.  On the first question, there has been treaty, legislative and regulatory guidance regarding whom to detain and under what rules for at least 60 years.  It is the reasons for departing from that experience that is the issue not the lack of legislative guidance. On the second question, the tactic of saying a law is not clear in order to do something that breaches that law is an old… Read more »

Sameera Daniels
Sameera Daniels

I agree with Howard Glibert that more detailed and objective analyses are in order. There are still gaps in forging the proper framework for these issues. Moreover, I would hate to see this devolve into the identity politics of intelligence analyses, as it has intermittently. I look forward to reading Benjamin Wittes book. And it’s great to see the potential for Opinio Juris forums because I learn a great deal from all of the current authors.

Regards,

SD

Gregory McNeal

Ben,  Great book.  I’m curious about your second and third points.  You state that the war on terror “requires new law, the development of new regimes tailored for the conflict at hand; and… the proper forum for this development is the Congress.”   I accept these points, but am curious about how you can overcome the status quo bias?   It seems that the Congress is content to prefer the status quo, even in the face of potentially beneficial reforms.  The status quo, is a no risk proposition for Congress, whereas implementing reforms in detention/interrogation/surveillance all have potential political costs.  Those costs can include upsetting their constituents or making the “wrong” reform choice.  So lets couple those potential political costs, with interest group advocacy.  Interest groups, at least on the detention issue seem to favor reliance solely on the criminal justice system, and when faced with a choice between the current regime and a system of administrative detention would likely favor the status quo.  While I haven’t seen the choices framed this way, I imagine that interest groups opposed to Guantanamo would prefer to continue their fight against it (they seem to be winning that fight), than to fight against a new… Read more »