Armed Conflict With Al Qaida: A Reply

Armed Conflict With Al Qaida: A Reply

[Opinio Juris welcomes Professor Eric Posner as a guest respondent. Professor Posner is Kirkland and Ellis Professor of Law at the University of Chicago.]

Thanks to Roger for asking me to write a reply to John Bellinger’s post.

I’m going to ask—even though I suspect that John will decline to answer—what is at stake in this argument. The Bush administration wants maximum flexibility in dealing with al Qaida, and understandably. What are the possible constraints? They are all familiar—the U.S. Constitution, Congress, domestic public opinion, foreign public opinion, foreign governments, and so forth. Everyone understands how these factors constrain and shape the American response to al Qaida. Another such constraint is international law. International law is spongy material, however, and it can be interpreted narrowly or broadly. The critics advance broad interpretations, interpretations that would require the U.S. government to grant rights to members of al Qaida that could interfere with anti-terror operations. The U.S. government, consistent with its goal of maximizing its flexibility, prefers the narrowest possible interpretation. As John takes pains to suggest, this does not mean that the U.S. will necessarily use the most aggressive measures available; but it does mean that those measures will always be an option.

The narrowest possible interpretation is, of course, that international law does not apply at all: the U.S. can do what it wants. Members of the Bush administration apparently considered this possibility at one time but the U.S. government has not officially adopted it. Let’s call this the “null position.” It could, for example, have argued that the international laws of war developed prior to al-Qaida-style international attacks, and cannot be considered applicable to them. We can imagine that if the Bush administration had adopted the null position, this would have provoked outrage and concern around the world. But perhaps this outrage and concern would have been worth incurring, because the advantages of being unconstrained greatly exceeded the costs. The outrage and concern would have died out as they always do, but the security benefits would have remained.

There are various possible broad interpretations. One is that the United States simply cannot treat al Qaida as a belligerent. Another is that members of al Qaida are belligerents but they are entitled to broad protections embodied in the Geneva Conventions and customary international law. Suppose (very counterfactually) that the United States had adopted a broad interpretation. Would the rest of the world have applauded? Would they have been more cooperative (perhaps by joining the invasion of Iraq or refraining from pressuring the United States to join the Kyoto treaty or the ICC)? Are there subtle types of anti-terror operations going on right now that are being hampered because foreign states refuse to cooperate with the United States as much as they would if the United States had adopted (and complied with) a broad interpretation?

The U.S. has adopted a narrow interpretation a hair’s breadth away from the null interpretation. John says, “A state acting in self-defense must comply with the UN Charter and fundamental law of war principles.” On the American position, the U.S. is complying with the UN Charter because that document allows it to go to war, in self-defense, against a non-state entity; so no constraint there. As for these “fundamental” law of war principles, well, what are these anyway? Perhaps rules like the principle of proportionality, but no one thinks that even under the null interpretation the United States would blow up a city in order to kill a handful of al Qaida members. So the narrow interpretation advanced by John is, I suspect, roughly the same (as a practical matter) as the null interpretation.

This, then, brings me to the question. If the U.S. gets all the benefits of the null interpretation, why not candidly adopt it? What is the advantage of adopting the narrow interpretation instead? I see three possibilities:

1. Despite what I said above, the narrow interpretation differs from the null interpretation: it constrains the U.S. a little bit. In return for this self-constraint, the world cooperates with the U.S. more than it would otherwise—but, correlatively, only a little bit.

2. Despite what I said above, the narrow interpretation differs from the null interpretation: it constrains the U.S. a little bit. However, the U.S. gains nothing from this self-constraint, or very little, because the rest of the world does not distinguish the null and narrow interpretations—they are equally bad. In this case, the U.S. has erred and should adopt the null interpretation.

3. The world does not care so much about the substance of U.S. actions but it cares deeply about the U.S. lording it over other states, making them feel less than sovereign. Indeed, perhaps many or most foreign governments want the U.S. to exercise no self-constraint. What good does it do them? The narrow interpretation, then, is like diplomatic protocol: substantively empty but nonetheless important as a way of confirming the formal equality of states.

One concrete question that arises from all this is this: Have foreign states retaliated against the United States because it has adopted the narrow rather than the broad position? Would foreign states have retaliated more against the United States if it had adopted the null position? I do not mean “retaliation” literally but as a stand-in for a decline in cooperation of all sorts, including failure to abide by existing international law that benefits the United States.

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HowardGilbert
HowardGilbert

In the first wave of detainee litigation, the cases were randomly scattered among judges. One district court ruled that its detainee was entitled to be treated as a civilian. Either change him with a crime or let him go. Another court ruled that its detainee was presumtively a POW unless found otherwise by a “competent tribunal”. In today’s form of US Government, the Executive cannot simply adopt an interpretation of law and then make it stick. There are hundreds of people with the inclination and the authority to second guess any such decision (9 of whom really matter). As a result, the administration seems to adopt the most ambiguous, insubstantial, indeterminate position available. “These people are not Prisoners of War, but we will treat them the same as real POWs while insisting that they are entitled to nothing.” The rest is determined by litigation. The executive may be forced into the “null interpretation” because almost nobody believes that the executive has any authority to interpret anything beyond the drafting of routine regulations. If you start by asserting nothing, demanding nothing, and conceiding nothing, then you will neither be right nor wrong. Foreign states should not expect more of a country… Read more »

Benjamin Davis
Benjamin Davis

I would like to comment that this approach to interacting with a member of one’s government is very troubling to me. Essentially, I am receiving carefully developed position papers that seek to sound eminently reasonable from Mr. Bellinger to which a response is sought. Points that are immediately relevant are deferred to later in the week, yet I fully expect that they will not be addressed. I suspect that certain points have been included in this first post so that if a response is not made to them at this time, it will be considered that we are acquiescing in those points. So I am permitting myself to reserve my position on anything to which I do not directly respond here. Afghanistan. I believe we will have to await more analysis of the history to determine whether the coalition attack on Afghanistan was a legal response by the United States and its coalition partners in an act of self-defense after the 9/11 attack. I remember that the Administration was very dismissive of what the Taliban offered in response to the request to turn over certain Al-Qaeda persons. I have tended to think Afghanistan worked as a matter of self-defense and… Read more »

Vik Kanwar
Vik Kanwar

Professor Posner and Mr. Bellinger, Thank you both for participating in such an open forum on these important and controversial matters. Both of your comments are very instructive, especially when read in tandem. Professor Posner’s distinction between “narrow” and “null” interpretations (which I will ruminate on a bit below) is especially insightful, though I do think that the last three points about “candor” miss the point of the peculiar institutional role of the Legal Advisor, which cannot be reduced to promoting international cooperation (as with the DOS as a whole) or to any other kind of instrumentalism (as with other more unapologetically “political” actors within the Executive). Professor Posner’s distinction between the “narrow interpretation” and the “null interpretation”–that razor thin edge of the traditional wedge between law and politics– is where we find what might be called “the internal view,” in this case the professional commitment of lawyers to their vocation. The internal view can be contrasted with the kinds of explanations which would seem more obvious from the external view of social scientists and other alien observers. Professor Posner, though an educator at a major law school, has no necessary commitment to the internal view, and therefore (as he… Read more »

Marko Milanovic
Marko Milanovic

“International law is spongy material.” And, say, US constitutional law is not?

As for the whole difference between a “null” interpretation and a “narrow” interpretation, that is just a legal-sounding sort of way of saying that international law is not really law, that it is lacking in moral force or legitimacy, that it is unable to constrain states acting in self-interest, etc, etc.

Heard it all before, among other places in Milosevic’s Serbia for about a decade or so of my life. Look where it got him. May the shade of Carl Schmitt always be your companion in exploring SpongeBob that is international law.

Matthew Gross
Matthew Gross

I must say I can’t see why Mr. Davis raises the issue of proportionality:



Proportionality. My question is whether this Administration is following an approach to the prosecution of these armed conflicts that has any even distant relationship to proportionality? When we look at the state of war in which we are plunged for the past five years, and the amount of death in those armed conflicts, the secret prisons, the torture, etc. that are part of this effort, one wonders at what point 9/11 becomes an excuse for depradation.

How is there standing for proportionality here? The US has not ratified Protocol I Additional to the Geneva Conventions and has no intention of doing so (President Reagan at the time explicitly urged the Senate to reject Protocol I.)

Seeing as how the proportionality argument stems from language in Protocol I, I fail to see how such enters into consideration of US actions in the legal sphere. Is there some other ratified treaty such a consideration would spring from?

Benjamin Davis
Benjamin Davis

Proportionality is a rule of international law whether someone is an adherent to the Additional Protocol or not.

Best,

Ben

Geoffrey Corn

I echo Ben’s comment. The rule of proportionality that is reflected in Article 51 of AP I (actually more appropriately defined as the prohibition against indiscriminate attacks) was actually adopted by the U.S. Army in Field Manaul 27-10 in 1975, two years prior to AP I coming into force. This was a recognition of the binding nature of this customary law of war norm.

Matthew Gross
Matthew Gross

Mr. Corn’s response regarding the Field Manual was what I was looking for, in part. You can find the document in question here:

Field Manual 27-10

As Mr. Corn was relatively brief, I’m going to assume he referred to Section IV, Paragraph 41, entitled “Unnecessary Killing and Devestation.” The pertinent wording therein:

Particularly in the circumstances referred to in the preceding paragraph, loss of life and damage to property incidental to attacks must not be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage expected to be gained.

I find it a bit of a stretch to see that this recognizes a concept of proportionality in the manner in which Mr. Davis cited it. It would seem the concept as defined therein is limited to military attacks, and is similiarly qualified by the military advantage granted, rather than any political or strategic objective.

While it may certainly be debated whether the policy goals in Iraq have met with success, the actual military operations themselves, in the form of the destruction of the Iraqi military and government, were both swift and decisive.