Brookings Conference on Legislating Counterterrorism

Brookings Conference on Legislating Counterterrorism

I spent the past two days at an excellent conference organized by Ben Wittes – we discussed his book Law and the Long War (which I see you can get for the bargain price of $6.99 on Amazon) here at OJ when it came out – on ways in which Congress should legislate the future of US counterterrorism.  It was co-sponsored by Brookings and the Center for the Constitution at Montpelier, which is a study and conference center in Virginia at the site of the original home of James Madison, and a very lovely place to meet.  (And before that at a meeting on robotics and war at Harvard, so it’s been a busy week.)  

The conference was held to discuss papers in a forthcoming Brookings volume on this topic; many of the authors of the book’s chapters were on hand to present their papers, and the audience included – drawing on Ben’s remarkable rolodex from his days at the Washington Post, among other things – many important journalists from US newspapers.  The Washington Times’s Jon Ward summed up the meeting here and here.  The general Brookings page on the forthcoming book is here, Legislating the War on Terror: An Agenda for Reform, and the Brookings site has op-ed length versions of some of the papers.  As the Obama administration moves forward on different fronts in counterterrorism reform – such as the detention scholars’ discussion that Deborah mentioned earlier and many other things, some controversial and some not – I’m convinced that the papers in this volume deserve very serious consideration.  Excepting my own, of course, they are all pretty practical and oriented toward legislation – this is policy writing, not scholarship – and the authors are all centrists of either party, and possessed of considerable expertise.  Several, like David Kris, have gone back into government; others, like Matt Waxman or Jack Goldsmith, are former officials actively looking for ways to advance reform agendas.  Bobby Chesney, Stuart Taylor, David Martin, and others … anyway, listening to the presentations over the last two days, I was impressed with how practical and forward-looking they were.  I understand that the academic law community in international law is, to some extent, in a very different place about many of these issues – starting, I suppose, with mine, on targeted killing and robotics – but in the world of Washington policy, this seems to me an important contribution to creating a long term, durable, and above all legislatively enacted structure for dealing with terrorism.  You can judge for yourself when the book comes out later this year.

My own contribution is on a topic that is perhaps slightly tangential to the concept of a legislated framework for counterterrorism – which is to say, a framework of domestic law for things like detention, interrogation, FISA, etc.  My paper, which I’ll post up if Brookings will let me once complete, is forward looking with respect to the tactics of counterterrorism, specifically targeted killing, particularly by Predators and advancing robotic technologies.  (Yes, dear readers, you knew I would work around to robots eventually.)  My fundamental observation to the Obama administration is that, to judge by Campaign Obama and Administration Obama, it embraces targeted killing as a useful method for going after terrorists themselves.  But even as the administration wants to expand the reach of the strategy, the legal space for it threatens to shrink.  And it is not especially clear that the administration understands that acceptance of certain things that parts of its foreign policy advisors would like to do – accept extraterritorial application of the ICCPR, for example – would have potentially grave effects on the legal rationales it offers for its targeted killing strategies.  

I see it as a potential clash within the Obama administration’s foreign policy team between the transnationalists and what I have sometimes called the “new liberal realists.” Targeted killing is one of those areas in which it is possible that one wing of advice in the foreign policy apparatus will come up against another wing.

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Benjamin Davis
Benjamin Davis

This is the list of the speakers: David Kris ( National Security Investigations and Prosecutions) lays out his proposals for modernizing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Jack Goldsmith ( The Terror Presidency) and Neal Katyal (Georgetown Law) flesh out their proposal for a National Security Court. Mark Gitenstein, former chief counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee, compares American and foreign legal standards for detention and surveillance. Editor Benjamin Wittes and Stuart Taylor ( National Journal) investigate ways to improve interrogation laws. Matthew Waxman, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for detainee affairs, considers who should be covered by administrative detention apparatuses. Kenneth Anderson (Hoover Institution, American University) investigates how to improve the legal regime for covert actions. David Martin (former general counsel to the INS) explores the relationship between immigration law and counterterrorism. Legal scholar Robert Chesney details the scope and applicability of American criminal law in counterterrorism cases. Robert Litt draws on his Justice Department tenure for recommendations on improving the legal regime of trying accused terrorists as criminals. Justin Florence and Matthew Gerke (Georgetown Center on National Security and the Law) outline possible reforms of civil justice procedures in national security litigation. Of that group, Jack Goldsmith for… Read more »

Benjamin Davis
Benjamin Davis

I take that back.  Neil Katyal of course in to support the boneheaded National Security Court.  No Third Class Processes for Foreigners.  Where are the women, the Hispanics, the African-Americans, the Muslim-Americans, the other Asians, et al in this august group? Where are the foreigners?
Best,
Ben

Benjamin Davis
Benjamin Davis

Here are a couple of alternative approaches that were done to what was done during Bush that are described at secrecy news.

http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/

Best,
Ben

Nathan Wagner
Nathan Wagner

It looks to have been an interesting and useful conference.  I would have loved to have been there. Counterterrorism legislative proposals are invariably going to be contentious.  I know you have been interested in legislative action for some time – disliking the mutability and easily questionable legitimacy of policies run purely by executive discretion.  Unfortunately, the present contentiousness of counterterrorism policy is bound to make moving any legislation difficult.  I’ve been wondering for some time whether it might be possible to construct a proposal in such a way as to allow a broader consensus.  For what it is worth, here’s my shot at it. The problem really comes down to this: devising the legal framework and institutions for dealing with terrorism long-term is difficult because (a) people disagree on how much danger there actually is, and (b) people disagree on the proper response to any given level of danger.  There are other disagreements, but those are the two primary ones. The stakes are high, because once a new framework is in place, it is frequently difficult to undo or change it even if the facts on the ground change.  I don’t know anyone who wants to permanently surrender liberties in… Read more »

Charles Gittings

The clearest thing about all of this is that lawyers have no actual understanding of “counter-terrorism” and the “counter-terrorism” folks have no understanding of the law —

A classic case of the blind leading the blind over a cliff into the deepest pit of hell….

And anyone who can look at the results of the last seven and a half years and think that these poeple should be enacting new laws is a fool.

The stark and simple truth is that they are LOSING their idiotic war on everything and nothing. We would be safer with no military and no lawyers than we are with these deluded hysterical incompetents.

Let’s see them obey and enforce the laws we have. That what they all swore to do — falsely.

But who cares about oaths?

That’s just for show right?

Patrick
Patrick

Nathan, I fear you are guilty of a little too much blind faith and misplaced trust with this sentence:
Congress is well placed to make this decision. 

hahaha-haha. It would be a cold winter in hell before we got below COUNTERCON 2. We would be more likely to be at COUNTERCON 1 than anything else!

I think I would rather a blind rabbit make the decision. A

In fairness, also, it really seems an executive branch decision – Congress being not only too stupid but too slow. My preference would be that it be ‘officially’ made by eg the Sec Defence, who would ‘advise’ Congress formally every time s/he changed it.