Veterans Day: Students and the War in Iraq

Veterans Day: Students and the War in Iraq

I began in academia after the Iraq war began, and have been puzzled — and at times frustrated — by the lack of student attention to or interest in the war. One could spend weeks on campus at MU and never see evidence that this is a state university in a country at war. (I arrived at school one day to see the quad in front of the law school outlined with hundreds of small black flags planted in the ground. Thinking that this was — at last — a sign of student activism about the war, I stopped to read the handwritten words on a flag: it was an ad for a Henry Rollins concert).

This op-ed piece in yesterday’s WaPo caught my attention. It is written by an Iraq war veteran and current Georgetown undergrad and includes some interesting observations about student apathy toward the war:

People on campus don’t think about the war very much. It rarely comes up in conversation, either inside or outside the classroom. Some professors have encouraged me to share my experiences, and some students have expressed interest in my past. Last semester, one wrote an article about another Iraq veteran and me for the campus newspaper. And this semester I dedicated about 250 words of a 900-word paper to the problem of sectarian violence in Iraq for a class on international relations. But that was the first time in my three semesters here that I was asked to formally consider the war for a class.

Beyond that, my theology professor gave a lecture last year that challenged students to find God in Iraq. My philosophy professor used Baghdad to describe what the philosopher Thomas Hobbes may have meant when he said that life in the state of nature would be “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.” But that’s about it. One student actually told me to stop thinking about Iraq. “You need to get rid of all that baggage and let yourself live,” she said. “We need to be shallow sometimes.”

I find it frustrating that Facebook is a bigger part of most students’ lives than the war. After my first semester, I decided to rejoin the Army by signing up with the ROTC. I felt a bit guilty for having done only one tour in Iraq while friends of mine have done two or three. And I didn’t want to forget the war. I may be prejudiced, but many of my college peers seem self-absorbed. I didn’t want to end up like that.

Behind the law school here is “Speakers Circle,” a free speech zone that does not require a permit for speeches, rallies or gatherings. By my own unscientific daily observations, about 80 percent of the speeches and events hosted there are religious preaching (by preachers from outside campus). I have not once in my four years here seen any student groups or outsiders use Speakers Circle for a discussion of the war. I am not aware of any student events or student-sponsored speakers at the law school organized around discussions of the war. To be fair, there is a separate part of campus called “Peace Park,” which was known as a gathering place for protests during the Vietnam War. Several community events (mostly non-university) protesting the Iraq war and/or supporting Iraq war vets have originated there. The most visible anti-war presence in town, however, is an off-campus weekly protest by a handful of Boomer-aged protestors, which usually is accompanied by a Boomer-aged group of war supporters responding from across the street.

I’d be interested to know what others have experienced on other campuses and in other states. How much have students lives been affected by the war? Has there been a marked change in interest over the past four years? Are we as faculty doing enough to use the war in our classes?

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JD
JD

Here at Columbia, there is also a dearth of speech about the war. Of course, the visit of the Iranian president caused everyone with something to say about Iran or the war to come forward for a day. However, students generally don’t discuss these issues here either. I doubt very seriously that professors or law professors can do more to generate student interest. Even some aspect of the war is used as an example in class, it will be solely an intellectual exercise for those with no vested personal interest. Americans seems to have a short attention span. There is so much going on in their lives that most things become background noise unless something specific genuinely sparks someone’s interest or affects them directly – either in their own lives or those of an immediate family member. Even then, I am amazed by some people’s ability to ignore or focus on things other than those affecting a parent or child. Sometimes even they go ignored. How can we expect concern about something happening so far away? The U.S. path to separating the military from its society is nearly complete. Only volunteers, public (military) or private (e.g. Blackwater employees), fight or… Read more »

wjneill
wjneill

The Bush School (at Texas A&M) has a significant quantity of former senior (COL to LTG) Army officers on the staff as well as a variety of civilians who write papers about various topics pertaining to national security. In my class on natl security law last semester, a young Army CPT was in the class, having returned from Afghanistan three weeks before class began. He and I were the only veterans in the class and he was still sort of wound up although he finally assimilated nicely in the final few weeks of class. This semester, in my grand strategy class, there is the USMC CPT, the USAF MAJ, and the USMC SGT who is a reservist and has done two tours in Iraq. And then there’s me. This class has been interesting simply because the two jarheads have offered some outstanding comments that I understand and the professor, a professional academic, alleges to understand. The rest of the kids hear what’s being said but have no point of reference nor do they have any expectations of seeing Iraq or Afghanistan. I know there are a large quantity of veterans of military service on the A&M campus and I presume… Read more »

Humble Law Student
Humble Law Student

By interest, you really mean opposition/protesting. Just thought I’d clear that up.

Matthew Gross
Matthew Gross

The Iraq War simply doesn’t consume enough resources, either in terms of people or expenditures, to impact the life of most of the population sufficiently to keep it in the forefront of their thoughts.

It would indeed be nice to balance the budget, but even then, war expenditures would be a fraction of the total cost.

It’s more just a function of our military might that we can defeat, then occupy a sizable country without using even a considerable fraction of our resources. Certainly, our military capabilities are severely impacted, but that’s generally not noticed until a situation that demands them arises.

People judge the importance of events by the impact on their personal lives. There’s nothing unusual or illogical about this, it’s just that in the past, wars had a much larger impact.

yave begnet

The war is costing a lot, but, like Matthew Gross said, we are rich enough to afford it, so people don’t complain too much.

People tried to do something to stop the war before it started, with mass protests across the country, and we were ridiculed by the president and ignored by the press. There’s a real sense of powerlessness, deepened by the failure to change anything through the 2004 election.

And yes, humble law student, she means opposition/protesting. What do you want to see, full-throated support? Don’t tell me you’re in the crazy 27% that still thinks Bush is teh awesome.

What worries me is not so much that most students are apathetic, it’s that the “engaged” Georgetown student thought the best way to do his part was to sign up to go kill more hajis for God and country.

All I can hope is that the GOP will be so long out of power after 2008 that they’ll think twice before using invasion as an electoral strategy again.

jvarisco

There was not much at Chicago, either. But I think it’s less apathy (though there is certainly quite a bit of that) and more pragmatism. Most students realize that there is absolutely nothing they can do about the war. They tried in 2004 with Kerry, and failed horribly. I see more attention to things like Darfur (which will probably peter out soon too) and local things like workers rights. The activists, who care, are simply choosing priorities where they stand a chance of accomplishing something.

Also, while it is a war, it’s on a much smaller scale than previous conflicts. There’s no draft, certainly not of college kids, and casualties are miniscule compared to previous wars. The mortality rate of soldiers in Iraq is probably less than that of binge-drinking frat boys. The life of the average college student is not affected at all by the war.